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		By: V J Rao		</title>
		<link>https://vivekvsp.com/2022/12/industrial-relations-policy/#comment-29543</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[V J Rao]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2022 04:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Very well said Vivek, with examples of companies that actually practice proactive IR/ER.

I completely agree that we must ( each one of us as HR professionals) step back and reflect on what we stand for. It is more important for us as we deal with people, not tools, not machines, not equipment or material. People have to be treated fairly and with respect and dignity. Where that is absent, the organization has no soul.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well said Vivek, with examples of companies that actually practice proactive IR/ER.</p>
<p>I completely agree that we must ( each one of us as HR professionals) step back and reflect on what we stand for. It is more important for us as we deal with people, not tools, not machines, not equipment or material. People have to be treated fairly and with respect and dignity. Where that is absent, the organization has no soul.</p>
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		By: Ernest Louis		</title>
		<link>https://vivekvsp.com/2022/12/industrial-relations-policy/#comment-29539</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ernest Louis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2022 04:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear Mr Patwardhan 
Thank you for this extremely insightful article on Industrial Relations. Coming from someone who has practiced (in Asian Paints) what he preaches, makes it even more worthwhile. 
IR Policy articulation by companies is a great recommendation. This will help
In the humanisation of the workplace. 
Look forward to more such sharing]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr Patwardhan<br />
Thank you for this extremely insightful article on Industrial Relations. Coming from someone who has practiced (in Asian Paints) what he preaches, makes it even more worthwhile.<br />
IR Policy articulation by companies is a great recommendation. This will help<br />
In the humanisation of the workplace.<br />
Look forward to more such sharing</p>
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		By: Dr R C Datta		</title>
		<link>https://vivekvsp.com/2022/12/industrial-relations-policy/#comment-29534</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dr R C Datta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2022 06:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Very good presentation! Congratulations!
I thoroughly enjoyed reading it with nostalgia-yes, my first hand experiences in 1980s-till the beginning of 21st century  is similar! Sad things have not changed for ‘just’ and ‘ Fairness’ . I remember a contract worker with same skills as permanent one but with more experience in the same factory, getting less wages and no benefits-personal experience!!!
I know today, firms are aiming at ‘ frictionless’ work in labour markets! And some have achieved! 
I am sorry the future of work is dystopian!!! Want to be optimistic!!!

At the end of the day if in the business scheme of things, and hyperconnected literally virtual competitive world, the axe fall on the variable‘factor’ of production process-the worker! However, you know this time the Technology is different and that doesn’t differentiate the hierarchical levels!!!!

Thanks again for taking me in future out of the past!!

Best wishes as always 

Dr R C Datta]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good presentation! Congratulations!<br />
I thoroughly enjoyed reading it with nostalgia-yes, my first hand experiences in 1980s-till the beginning of 21st century  is similar! Sad things have not changed for ‘just’ and ‘ Fairness’ . I remember a contract worker with same skills as permanent one but with more experience in the same factory, getting less wages and no benefits-personal experience!!!<br />
I know today, firms are aiming at ‘ frictionless’ work in labour markets! And some have achieved!<br />
I am sorry the future of work is dystopian!!! Want to be optimistic!!!</p>
<p>At the end of the day if in the business scheme of things, and hyperconnected literally virtual competitive world, the axe fall on the variable‘factor’ of production process-the worker! However, you know this time the Technology is different and that doesn’t differentiate the hierarchical levels!!!!</p>
<p>Thanks again for taking me in future out of the past!!</p>
<p>Best wishes as always </p>
<p>Dr R C Datta</p>
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		By: Prakash Shanware		</title>
		<link>https://vivekvsp.com/2022/12/industrial-relations-policy/#comment-29531</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Prakash Shanware]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2022 22:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Vivek, 
Very interesting article with a excellent Insight in Industrial Relations . In our experiences we were torn between what we felt was right and what our employer wanted us to do . You succeeded few times in convincing your employer to your thought process but majority of the times were forced to do what you were not willing. 
Your thoughts are a must to be understood and followed by employers and for us to get  courage to  follow what our mind feels is right . Compassionate approach always helps to build a trust which sadly is missing in employer employee relations .
Great trigger you gave Vivek for us to relook at our role .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vivek,<br />
Very interesting article with a excellent Insight in Industrial Relations . In our experiences we were torn between what we felt was right and what our employer wanted us to do . You succeeded few times in convincing your employer to your thought process but majority of the times were forced to do what you were not willing.<br />
Your thoughts are a must to be understood and followed by employers and for us to get  courage to  follow what our mind feels is right . Compassionate approach always helps to build a trust which sadly is missing in employer employee relations .<br />
Great trigger you gave Vivek for us to relook at our role .</p>
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		By: Sanjeev Doshi		</title>
		<link>https://vivekvsp.com/2022/12/industrial-relations-policy/#comment-29527</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sanjeev Doshi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2022 07:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sir, Great insights.

As highlighted by you, Sir, Indeed,  there is no substitute for a meaningful and open conversation. 

Thanks for sharing]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir, Great insights.</p>
<p>As highlighted by you, Sir, Indeed,  there is no substitute for a meaningful and open conversation. </p>
<p>Thanks for sharing</p>
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		By: Vineet kaul		</title>
		<link>https://vivekvsp.com/2022/12/industrial-relations-policy/#comment-29526</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2022 03:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear Vivek
Thanks a lot for sharing this excellent speech 

It communicates your wisdom gained thru the wonderful work you have done and continue doing 
The Five steps/stages are very well presented 
Often, IR  goes thru the “Product Life cycle’ like phases. Yes, there always are choices to be made 
I trust all will draw inspiration from this speech 
As always, I keep learning from each of your blogs <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f64f.png" alt="🙏" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Vivek<br />
Thanks a lot for sharing this excellent speech </p>
<p>It communicates your wisdom gained thru the wonderful work you have done and continue doing<br />
The Five steps/stages are very well presented<br />
Often, IR  goes thru the “Product Life cycle’ like phases. Yes, there always are choices to be made<br />
I trust all will draw inspiration from this speech<br />
As always, I keep learning from each of your blogs 🙏</p>
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		By: G v Joshi		</title>
		<link>https://vivekvsp.com/2022/12/industrial-relations-policy/#comment-29521</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[G v Joshi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2022 15:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Congratulations for your well articulated lecture on what companies and unions should stand for in terms of true IR. Generally IR steps into picture when there is a dispute between labour and management. You have shown thru your lecture how a matured relationship between workers and management can lead to win win situation in achieving a common purpose. Three Cheers for your wonderful speech. As usual your blogs are treat for non HR person like me . Keep writing and sharing your wonderful blogs.Thanks and regards]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations for your well articulated lecture on what companies and unions should stand for in terms of true IR. Generally IR steps into picture when there is a dispute between labour and management. You have shown thru your lecture how a matured relationship between workers and management can lead to win win situation in achieving a common purpose. Three Cheers for your wonderful speech. As usual your blogs are treat for non HR person like me . Keep writing and sharing your wonderful blogs.Thanks and regards</p>
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		By: Mirza Yawar Baig		</title>
		<link>https://vivekvsp.com/2022/12/industrial-relations-policy/#comment-29520</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mirza Yawar Baig]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2022 14:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great speech Vivek. I know your policy in the many years that we have been friends from the time I first met you in Asian Paints where I helped develop the 360 Appraisal and Counseling process and designed and ran many workshops with your assistant - one of the finest HR professionals that I have ever encountered, Poornima Pandey.Working with her and you was a bonus in itself.

On the subject of IR, I speak from my experience of it for 16 years in Guyana and India and then a cumulative experience, now, of 40 years in consulting on 3 continents - invariably all problems start with greedy, corrupt management. Then the conflict gets leveraged by politicians and the rest is history. Eventually the business shuts down and the only people who suffer are workers.

I believe that fairness and justice must be inculcated first. Legislation can support it and must, but when it is not inculcated, then any legislation is easily bypassed by means of greasy palms and brown paper envelopes stuffed with negotiable paper. That is what happens in our country. 

The incident you mentioned about the management distributing Diwali sweets and shutting the factory down under the guise of stock taking, is despicable and a great illustration of the result of the absence of the sense of justice and fairness. Utterly shameful. 

Sorry to say, in my experience, HR (so-called) Professionals are hand in glove for unscrupulous managements, indeed devising such disgusting schemes to suck up to bosses and/or line their own nests. In my view Line Managers must learn to deal with their workers and HR should be abolished. I have never seen a more useless function than HR.

Workers and humans. Humans are not a &#039;resource&#039; like coal or oil or steel. They are people, like you and I. They feel sad, glad, mad like you and I. They have hopes and aspirations like you and I. A job for them, is not simply a paycheck at the end of the month. It is prestige, security, comfort, reliance, friendship, camaraderie with their colleagues, social position, self esteem, and the purpose of their lives. Take that away and you almost pass a death sentence. I don&#039;t say that we should never dismiss anyone, but at least don&#039;t give them Diwali sweets and shut the gates like thieves.

My apologies for this long post. Your article brought back many memories.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great speech Vivek. I know your policy in the many years that we have been friends from the time I first met you in Asian Paints where I helped develop the 360 Appraisal and Counseling process and designed and ran many workshops with your assistant &#8211; one of the finest HR professionals that I have ever encountered, Poornima Pandey.Working with her and you was a bonus in itself.</p>
<p>On the subject of IR, I speak from my experience of it for 16 years in Guyana and India and then a cumulative experience, now, of 40 years in consulting on 3 continents &#8211; invariably all problems start with greedy, corrupt management. Then the conflict gets leveraged by politicians and the rest is history. Eventually the business shuts down and the only people who suffer are workers.</p>
<p>I believe that fairness and justice must be inculcated first. Legislation can support it and must, but when it is not inculcated, then any legislation is easily bypassed by means of greasy palms and brown paper envelopes stuffed with negotiable paper. That is what happens in our country. </p>
<p>The incident you mentioned about the management distributing Diwali sweets and shutting the factory down under the guise of stock taking, is despicable and a great illustration of the result of the absence of the sense of justice and fairness. Utterly shameful. </p>
<p>Sorry to say, in my experience, HR (so-called) Professionals are hand in glove for unscrupulous managements, indeed devising such disgusting schemes to suck up to bosses and/or line their own nests. In my view Line Managers must learn to deal with their workers and HR should be abolished. I have never seen a more useless function than HR.</p>
<p>Workers and humans. Humans are not a &#8216;resource&#8217; like coal or oil or steel. They are people, like you and I. They feel sad, glad, mad like you and I. They have hopes and aspirations like you and I. A job for them, is not simply a paycheck at the end of the month. It is prestige, security, comfort, reliance, friendship, camaraderie with their colleagues, social position, self esteem, and the purpose of their lives. Take that away and you almost pass a death sentence. I don&#8217;t say that we should never dismiss anyone, but at least don&#8217;t give them Diwali sweets and shut the gates like thieves.</p>
<p>My apologies for this long post. Your article brought back many memories.</p>
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		By: Dr Preeti Shirodkar		</title>
		<link>https://vivekvsp.com/2022/12/industrial-relations-policy/#comment-29519</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dr Preeti Shirodkar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2022 14:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Extremely powerful and thought provoking. Many thanks for another beautifully expressed and profound piece.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Extremely powerful and thought provoking. Many thanks for another beautifully expressed and profound piece.</p>
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		By: Sudhir Kulkarni		</title>
		<link>https://vivekvsp.com/2022/12/industrial-relations-policy/#comment-29515</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sudhir Kulkarni]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2022 10:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear Vivek ji,

You are candid, clear and original, as always.
I was not present to hear you in person, but going through your speech was a pure pleasure. I ditto as already mentioned that this is nothing short of a treatise on &#039;Framework for Good Industrial/Employee Relations - belief and practice&#039;
Keep writing and educating persons like me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Vivek ji,</p>
<p>You are candid, clear and original, as always.<br />
I was not present to hear you in person, but going through your speech was a pure pleasure. I ditto as already mentioned that this is nothing short of a treatise on &#8216;Framework for Good Industrial/Employee Relations &#8211; belief and practice&#8217;<br />
Keep writing and educating persons like me.</p>
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