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		By: VV Kannan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[VV Kannan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jul 2024 13:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[very well penned article. I wanted to share my experience on tis subject. 

I have been talking  to Ola / UBer / lyft drivers in India and US whenever I use them on their earnings, business model etc.

They do service to the aggregator and the balance is in favour of the aggregator. Most of them don’t take in to account depreciation or replacement cost in their calculations. Nor do they compare earnings ( with out depreciation ) with any other profession for similar hours of working. A Walmart employee is supposed to be paid poorly I am told. But Uber drivers earn lower on a per hour basis.

of course the biggest plus is the flexibility they get. I presume that is true of GIG working as a concept

I know of a call driver model in Chennai which is more egalitarian . The aggregator charges a fixed sum per month to cover his costs as a subscription and paid by the call driver irrespective of his earning. Some drivers who build reputation over time and customers are willing to pay more.

Hopefully a similar model will emerge for share taxi service and disrupt Ola or Uber models. 

ps I understand there are some pilots being tried on subscription model]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very well penned article. I wanted to share my experience on tis subject. </p>
<p>I have been talking  to Ola / UBer / lyft drivers in India and US whenever I use them on their earnings, business model etc.</p>
<p>They do service to the aggregator and the balance is in favour of the aggregator. Most of them don’t take in to account depreciation or replacement cost in their calculations. Nor do they compare earnings ( with out depreciation ) with any other profession for similar hours of working. A Walmart employee is supposed to be paid poorly I am told. But Uber drivers earn lower on a per hour basis.</p>
<p>of course the biggest plus is the flexibility they get. I presume that is true of GIG working as a concept</p>
<p>I know of a call driver model in Chennai which is more egalitarian . The aggregator charges a fixed sum per month to cover his costs as a subscription and paid by the call driver irrespective of his earning. Some drivers who build reputation over time and customers are willing to pay more.</p>
<p>Hopefully a similar model will emerge for share taxi service and disrupt Ola or Uber models. </p>
<p>ps I understand there are some pilots being tried on subscription model</p>
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		By: Vivek Patwardhan		</title>
		<link>https://vivekvsp.com/2024/03/gig-workers-2/#comment-39307</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vivek Patwardhan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2024 11:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://vivekvsp.com/2024/03/gig-workers-2/#comment-39306&quot;&gt;Manohar Phadke&lt;/a&gt;.

Did you mean disheartening state of affairs? ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://vivekvsp.com/2024/03/gig-workers-2/#comment-39306">Manohar Phadke</a>.</p>
<p>Did you mean disheartening state of affairs? </p>
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		By: Manohar Phadke		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Manohar Phadke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2024 11:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear Mr. Patwardhan, Thank you very much for sharing the glimpses of the Report on Gig Workers. It is really a heartening state of affairs of the Gig Workers. Thank You Very Much.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Patwardhan, Thank you very much for sharing the glimpses of the Report on Gig Workers. It is really a heartening state of affairs of the Gig Workers. Thank You Very Much.</p>
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		By: Satish Kulkarni		</title>
		<link>https://vivekvsp.com/2024/03/gig-workers-2/#comment-39208</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Satish Kulkarni]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2024 05:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As always, VSP sir has been upfront and insightful in asking very difficult questions. On the one hand, the app based services have created thousands of &#039;jobs&#039; (in quotes because the conventional employer employee relationship is not applicable) and solved big problems of millions of &#039;consumers&#039;. On the other hand, it has led to exploitation-like predicament of the gig workers. As someone responded rightly on this blog-trail, the society is ignoring the plight of gig workers because they are themselves the beneficiaries. It&#039;s the same situation with the store staff working in our neighborhood shops or even the small land-holding farmers. The bitter truth is if the farmers get paid substantially more, the consumers (including the gig workers) will be staring at an un-manageable inflation!

I feel that there is a definite need for regulatory intervention to ensure well being and income for the gig workers and small farmers and so on. However, the regulatory changes cannot be sudden to render many of these job creating businesses unviable overnight. The biggest danger here is short-sighted impatience on the part of any interest group fuelled by political motives.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As always, VSP sir has been upfront and insightful in asking very difficult questions. On the one hand, the app based services have created thousands of &#8216;jobs&#8217; (in quotes because the conventional employer employee relationship is not applicable) and solved big problems of millions of &#8216;consumers&#8217;. On the other hand, it has led to exploitation-like predicament of the gig workers. As someone responded rightly on this blog-trail, the society is ignoring the plight of gig workers because they are themselves the beneficiaries. It&#8217;s the same situation with the store staff working in our neighborhood shops or even the small land-holding farmers. The bitter truth is if the farmers get paid substantially more, the consumers (including the gig workers) will be staring at an un-manageable inflation!</p>
<p>I feel that there is a definite need for regulatory intervention to ensure well being and income for the gig workers and small farmers and so on. However, the regulatory changes cannot be sudden to render many of these job creating businesses unviable overnight. The biggest danger here is short-sighted impatience on the part of any interest group fuelled by political motives.</p>
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		By: Marcel		</title>
		<link>https://vivekvsp.com/2024/03/gig-workers-2/#comment-39205</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marcel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2024 02:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Vivek as always you have highlighted the abysmal work conditions of the gig worker
Can a collective body be formed of independent&quot;contractors&quot; to force Govts hand to enact and implement legislation and like the SFI be representing these people]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vivek as always you have highlighted the abysmal work conditions of the gig worker<br />
Can a collective body be formed of independent&#8221;contractors&#8221; to force Govts hand to enact and implement legislation and like the SFI be representing these people</p>
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		By: Vilas Dhava;e		</title>
		<link>https://vivekvsp.com/2024/03/gig-workers-2/#comment-39199</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vilas Dhava;e]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2024 15:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We can slide easily into a larger social issue of unorganised workers (e.g. housemaids in cities) and to make it broader, into unemployed population. So, the question is why not? Because all these problems are real. The GIG workers problem looks attractive because it in the realm of the corporate world and therefore, easy to debate. Cities like Hong Kong have strict laws governing domestic workers. Sure, GIG workers&#039; issue may be taken up but why not the issue of populace which is suffering more?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can slide easily into a larger social issue of unorganised workers (e.g. housemaids in cities) and to make it broader, into unemployed population. So, the question is why not? Because all these problems are real. The GIG workers problem looks attractive because it in the realm of the corporate world and therefore, easy to debate. Cities like Hong Kong have strict laws governing domestic workers. Sure, GIG workers&#8217; issue may be taken up but why not the issue of populace which is suffering more?</p>
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		By: Nandeeta		</title>
		<link>https://vivekvsp.com/2024/03/gig-workers-2/#comment-39197</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nandeeta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2024 10:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A reality we are choosing to ignore because we are the beneficiaries of this tech driven exploitation]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A reality we are choosing to ignore because we are the beneficiaries of this tech driven exploitation</p>
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		By: Amit S Kawoor		</title>
		<link>https://vivekvsp.com/2024/03/gig-workers-2/#comment-39195</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amit S Kawoor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2024 04:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear VSP Sir you brought to light topic which as supply chain professional has been close to my heart relating to &quot;Truck Drivers&quot;. They are REAL individuals (can&#039;t call humans as nuts and bolts like intellectuals) who make GOODS MOVE but the industry and ecosystem has been un-organised to say least let alone exploitative ecosystem ON-Road.
Status quo has been changing atleast interm of Cabin comfort by the Commercial Vehicle manufacturers but larger issues still remains hanging.
Regards]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear VSP Sir you brought to light topic which as supply chain professional has been close to my heart relating to &#8220;Truck Drivers&#8221;. They are REAL individuals (can&#8217;t call humans as nuts and bolts like intellectuals) who make GOODS MOVE but the industry and ecosystem has been un-organised to say least let alone exploitative ecosystem ON-Road.<br />
Status quo has been changing atleast interm of Cabin comfort by the Commercial Vehicle manufacturers but larger issues still remains hanging.<br />
Regards</p>
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		By: Joseph George A		</title>
		<link>https://vivekvsp.com/2024/03/gig-workers-2/#comment-39194</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph George A]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2024 04:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Would existing or legacy unions not like to take up gig workers&#039; concerns?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would existing or legacy unions not like to take up gig workers&#8217; concerns?</p>
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		By: monodipchaudhuri		</title>
		<link>https://vivekvsp.com/2024/03/gig-workers-2/#comment-39193</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[monodipchaudhuri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2024 02:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[GIG workers are uniquely exploited by every class including the political class.Sometimes they are discussed at the intellectual level and then quietly forgotten about.I strongly commend this and other attemptsto bring this issue to to centre stage.Messrs Tripathi and Vivek have done humanity a service by bringing this injustice to focus.May a reasonable way forward see the light of day]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GIG workers are uniquely exploited by every class including the political class.Sometimes they are discussed at the intellectual level and then quietly forgotten about.I strongly commend this and other attemptsto bring this issue to to centre stage.Messrs Tripathi and Vivek have done humanity a service by bringing this injustice to focus.May a reasonable way forward see the light of day</p>
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