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		By: Sudhir Kulkarni		</title>
		<link>https://vivekvsp.com/2024/06/amazon-workers/#comment-40964</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sudhir Kulkarni]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2024 17:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear Vivek ji,

Thanks for penning this story, tragic, as it sounds. It appears as though we are going back in times in treatment of people, while having more fancy labels for the traditional Labour/Personnel Department and persons who run it. 
Abuse of workers is rampant and more surreptitious in the so called Global or Top Brands, may be Amazon is leading the pack. But is not the crime being perpetuated by our HR fraternity to survive their jobs, if not to score brownie points with their bosses? 
Everyone one of us in some way are contributors for this plight. We prefer to buy things from Amazon for cost advantage and Amazon is making it possible by cutting corners like this. Are we willing to shun buying from companies like Amazon once we realise that they are resorting to inhuman practices, not caring for the benefit we reap? Are we as consumers in a position to have a united action to ban products and services of companies that commit such unethical behaviour? I understand that it both difficult and less prudent.
The Government machinery at various levels are busy promoting their success stories not caring for the real issues other than occasionally showing lip sympathy. The Labour Unions have been successfully marginalised by the Employer class, Managements, Govt. Policies, Courts and by shortsighted actions of the Union Leaders themselves. Time has come to act before the rot gets too pervasive. The least the Employer Organisations and Assessment Agencies can do is not to Award the likes of Amazon as Best Employers or Great Places to Work and hang their head in shame for already having done enough disservice. 
Sorry for this long comment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Vivek ji,</p>
<p>Thanks for penning this story, tragic, as it sounds. It appears as though we are going back in times in treatment of people, while having more fancy labels for the traditional Labour/Personnel Department and persons who run it.<br />
Abuse of workers is rampant and more surreptitious in the so called Global or Top Brands, may be Amazon is leading the pack. But is not the crime being perpetuated by our HR fraternity to survive their jobs, if not to score brownie points with their bosses?<br />
Everyone one of us in some way are contributors for this plight. We prefer to buy things from Amazon for cost advantage and Amazon is making it possible by cutting corners like this. Are we willing to shun buying from companies like Amazon once we realise that they are resorting to inhuman practices, not caring for the benefit we reap? Are we as consumers in a position to have a united action to ban products and services of companies that commit such unethical behaviour? I understand that it both difficult and less prudent.<br />
The Government machinery at various levels are busy promoting their success stories not caring for the real issues other than occasionally showing lip sympathy. The Labour Unions have been successfully marginalised by the Employer class, Managements, Govt. Policies, Courts and by shortsighted actions of the Union Leaders themselves. Time has come to act before the rot gets too pervasive. The least the Employer Organisations and Assessment Agencies can do is not to Award the likes of Amazon as Best Employers or Great Places to Work and hang their head in shame for already having done enough disservice.<br />
Sorry for this long comment.</p>
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		By: Vilas Dhavale		</title>
		<link>https://vivekvsp.com/2024/06/amazon-workers/#comment-40697</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vilas Dhavale]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jun 2024 12:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We should keep writing, highlighting, talking about the abuses. 

Interesting comments above, one was about Asian Paints too. I know what Ajay talked, the Bombay Branch office, where I worked during mid eighties had horrible toilets when the HQ in Nirmal was plush! Traditionally, factory toilets are an apology of toilets when compared to HQ.

And there is a mention of awards: they are scams.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should keep writing, highlighting, talking about the abuses. </p>
<p>Interesting comments above, one was about Asian Paints too. I know what Ajay talked, the Bombay Branch office, where I worked during mid eighties had horrible toilets when the HQ in Nirmal was plush! Traditionally, factory toilets are an apology of toilets when compared to HQ.</p>
<p>And there is a mention of awards: they are scams.</p>
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		By: Vineet Kaul		</title>
		<link>https://vivekvsp.com/2024/06/amazon-workers/#comment-40691</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vineet Kaul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jun 2024 09:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear Vivek,
Thanks for putting forth insights on the recent development@ Amazon India. It is good that such unfair practices catch attention in the National news - but unfortunately, these headlines get blurred n forgotten very soon.
Interestingly, Amazon india topped the Randstand Employer Research as &quot; Most attractive followed by Microsoft etc . It also was placed @6 th rank out of 25 Best Companies to work for in India . Our Award distribution Agencies know how to keep all Employers happy!!!
Unfortunately, the Government  (Labour Dept)and Employer Bodies are now busy on roll out and Launch of Labour Codes.
Others are also engrossed in Strategic Workforce planning( having more contract labour ) and HR Teach etc  
High time to look at  &quot; back to basics&quot; in People practices]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Vivek,<br />
Thanks for putting forth insights on the recent development@ Amazon India. It is good that such unfair practices catch attention in the National news &#8211; but unfortunately, these headlines get blurred n forgotten very soon.<br />
Interestingly, Amazon india topped the Randstand Employer Research as &#8221; Most attractive followed by Microsoft etc . It also was placed @6 th rank out of 25 Best Companies to work for in India . Our Award distribution Agencies know how to keep all Employers happy!!!<br />
Unfortunately, the Government  (Labour Dept)and Employer Bodies are now busy on roll out and Launch of Labour Codes.<br />
Others are also engrossed in Strategic Workforce planning( having more contract labour ) and HR Teach etc<br />
High time to look at  &#8221; back to basics&#8221; in People practices</p>
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		By: Ajay Eknath Mahindrakar		</title>
		<link>https://vivekvsp.com/2024/06/amazon-workers/#comment-40685</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ajay Eknath Mahindrakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jun 2024 04:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As you said things keep happening only that some get noticed . we worked in organisations  that did not have proper washrooms,they were unclean.but our human relations approach always built healthy relations with workers. we too unloaded 20 to 30 trucks a day at times (20 to 24kl). infact workers  them selves decided amongst themselves that they wont take any break and unload all vehicles as they knew delays could have cascading effect on operations.All they would expect after a tiring day  was a good food at dhaba and some concession to report late next morning which was fair enough. we never put such harsh, inhuman rules on workers that we would lose experienced workforce.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you said things keep happening only that some get noticed . we worked in organisations  that did not have proper washrooms,they were unclean.but our human relations approach always built healthy relations with workers. we too unloaded 20 to 30 trucks a day at times (20 to 24kl). infact workers  them selves decided amongst themselves that they wont take any break and unload all vehicles as they knew delays could have cascading effect on operations.All they would expect after a tiring day  was a good food at dhaba and some concession to report late next morning which was fair enough. we never put such harsh, inhuman rules on workers that we would lose experienced workforce.</p>
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		By: Mirza Yawar Baig		</title>
		<link>https://vivekvsp.com/2024/06/amazon-workers/#comment-40675</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mirza Yawar Baig]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jun 2024 16:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No matter how this ends, I am very happy that it is public and visible. Here is another one which needless to say would not have happened in their home country.

https://www.livemint.com/news/hinduja-brothers-sentenced-to-jail-breakdown-of-charges-against-the-indian-born-richest-family-in-britain-11719026736119.html

The Middle East is famous for routine human rights abuse when it comes to poor workers and domestic help. There is no recourse to justice for those poor people.

In India what happened to so-called &#039;Migrant Labour&#039;, during Covid, is a mark of shame on the foreheads of all those involved at all levels. That includes the total callous, heartless attitude of our so-called &#039;Middle-class&#039;. 

As for Unions, I share your lament about what has happened to Labor Unions, post liberalization of the Indian market/economy. Long gone are the stances, especially of the Communists, based on ideology and justice. Yes, they were excessive sometimes (?) and unreasonable, but they were incorruptible and not for sale. They were not racist or communal. They agitated for the benefit of labour as they understood it. We (you and I) stood against them as representatives of management in the days before they invented the silly term - Human Resources - as Industrial Relations Managers. But we stood in an atmosphere of mutual respect. We didn&#039;t agree with each other, but we respected each other and understood the principles we each stood on. 

Not any more, as you say, Union maidens awakening from a stupor by the kiss of their first love - the capitalist - whose lapdogs they have become. 

Very sad state of affairs and totally detrimental to society as a whole.

Finally, I would laugh myself silly if I could - FULFILLMENT CENTERS? It is a f***** warehouse Bro - Mr. Bezos. 

This wordsmithing is a crime that is committed routinely today in almost all workplaces, naming things differently to mask their reality. Meaningless titles and designations, totally ridiculous descriptors to make a problem look like an asset. 

My favourite is George Carlin on &#039;Soft Language&#039; https://youtu.be/o25I2fzFGoY?si=lEeE8gd05_9oZdaZ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No matter how this ends, I am very happy that it is public and visible. Here is another one which needless to say would not have happened in their home country.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.livemint.com/news/hinduja-brothers-sentenced-to-jail-breakdown-of-charges-against-the-indian-born-richest-family-in-britain-11719026736119.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.livemint.com/news/hinduja-brothers-sentenced-to-jail-breakdown-of-charges-against-the-indian-born-richest-family-in-britain-11719026736119.html</a></p>
<p>The Middle East is famous for routine human rights abuse when it comes to poor workers and domestic help. There is no recourse to justice for those poor people.</p>
<p>In India what happened to so-called &#8216;Migrant Labour&#8217;, during Covid, is a mark of shame on the foreheads of all those involved at all levels. That includes the total callous, heartless attitude of our so-called &#8216;Middle-class&#8217;. </p>
<p>As for Unions, I share your lament about what has happened to Labor Unions, post liberalization of the Indian market/economy. Long gone are the stances, especially of the Communists, based on ideology and justice. Yes, they were excessive sometimes (?) and unreasonable, but they were incorruptible and not for sale. They were not racist or communal. They agitated for the benefit of labour as they understood it. We (you and I) stood against them as representatives of management in the days before they invented the silly term &#8211; Human Resources &#8211; as Industrial Relations Managers. But we stood in an atmosphere of mutual respect. We didn&#8217;t agree with each other, but we respected each other and understood the principles we each stood on. </p>
<p>Not any more, as you say, Union maidens awakening from a stupor by the kiss of their first love &#8211; the capitalist &#8211; whose lapdogs they have become. </p>
<p>Very sad state of affairs and totally detrimental to society as a whole.</p>
<p>Finally, I would laugh myself silly if I could &#8211; FULFILLMENT CENTERS? It is a f***** warehouse Bro &#8211; Mr. Bezos. </p>
<p>This wordsmithing is a crime that is committed routinely today in almost all workplaces, naming things differently to mask their reality. Meaningless titles and designations, totally ridiculous descriptors to make a problem look like an asset. </p>
<p>My favourite is George Carlin on &#8216;Soft Language&#8217; <a href="https://youtu.be/o25I2fzFGoY?si=lEeE8gd05_9oZdaZ" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/o25I2fzFGoY?si=lEeE8gd05_9oZdaZ</a></p>
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		By: D.G.Thakurdesai		</title>
		<link>https://vivekvsp.com/2024/06/amazon-workers/#comment-40671</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[D.G.Thakurdesai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jun 2024 13:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[India is in a very sorry state.
There are many who are like Amazon HR or want to be like them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>India is in a very sorry state.<br />
There are many who are like Amazon HR or want to be like them.</p>
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		By: Vikas Shirodkar		</title>
		<link>https://vivekvsp.com/2024/06/amazon-workers/#comment-40670</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vikas Shirodkar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jun 2024 12:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Vivek
Indeed a sad state of affairs
All organizations...and organized workers also....exploit unorganized n contract n temp workers is well known 
But no toilet breaks is taking it to a diff level altogether

When we were in active HR roles one tried to fight for a limiting of the temp staffing....typically it got restricted to 25 30% of total strength on shopfloor
That also is bad but sliwly this creeped upwards n by the time i retired in 2014 nos like 60 or 70 were common
Now a new trend has started that even large corporations n even MNCs pride themselves on having 100% of labour on contract
Possibly human rights violation started long ago n now this example
GOK where all this will end....hope not the Maruti Manesar or Africa way of lawlessness]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vivek<br />
Indeed a sad state of affairs<br />
All organizations&#8230;and organized workers also&#8230;.exploit unorganized n contract n temp workers is well known<br />
But no toilet breaks is taking it to a diff level altogether</p>
<p>When we were in active HR roles one tried to fight for a limiting of the temp staffing&#8230;.typically it got restricted to 25 30% of total strength on shopfloor<br />
That also is bad but sliwly this creeped upwards n by the time i retired in 2014 nos like 60 or 70 were common<br />
Now a new trend has started that even large corporations n even MNCs pride themselves on having 100% of labour on contract<br />
Possibly human rights violation started long ago n now this example<br />
GOK where all this will end&#8230;.hope not the Maruti Manesar or Africa way of lawlessness</p>
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		By: Varda Pendse		</title>
		<link>https://vivekvsp.com/2024/06/amazon-workers/#comment-40669</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Varda Pendse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jun 2024 12:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear Vivek
Recently I heard a experiemced staffer of ICICI bank complaints about being transfered and called the work culture toxic. I was more surprised when I read te commeents about agreement to his comment that ICICI bank culture is toxic.
A friends daughter has joined another reputed Bank in sales ...she thought she was good in sales and marketing and has complaint bitterly about the toxicity in the work culture....words like rape abusive language is common. She is expected to work 14 hours and no breaks on sat / sunday.
In both the above cases, they can quit / file a official complaint but have not done. In first case he has used social 
media and in second case she came to me for advice.
Amazon fullfillment centre employees are the bottom of the pyramid .....if the white collar cannot protest where cannwe expect them to ? 
Second I do think the investors and PE funds etc are putting excessive pressure on cost efficiemcies higher returns and faster growth. Perhaps this 
Has led to increase stress and toxicity ??
Am watching Hitler on Netflix...pls watch. ..shows what hooliganism can lead to. Different take.
You have raised the right question and thought]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Vivek<br />
Recently I heard a experiemced staffer of ICICI bank complaints about being transfered and called the work culture toxic. I was more surprised when I read te commeents about agreement to his comment that ICICI bank culture is toxic.<br />
A friends daughter has joined another reputed Bank in sales &#8230;she thought she was good in sales and marketing and has complaint bitterly about the toxicity in the work culture&#8230;.words like rape abusive language is common. She is expected to work 14 hours and no breaks on sat / sunday.<br />
In both the above cases, they can quit / file a official complaint but have not done. In first case he has used social<br />
media and in second case she came to me for advice.<br />
Amazon fullfillment centre employees are the bottom of the pyramid &#8230;..if the white collar cannot protest where cannwe expect them to ?<br />
Second I do think the investors and PE funds etc are putting excessive pressure on cost efficiemcies higher returns and faster growth. Perhaps this<br />
Has led to increase stress and toxicity ??<br />
Am watching Hitler on Netflix&#8230;pls watch. ..shows what hooliganism can lead to. Different take.<br />
You have raised the right question and thought</p>
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		By: Monodip Chaudhuri		</title>
		<link>https://vivekvsp.com/2024/06/amazon-workers/#comment-40667</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Monodip Chaudhuri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jun 2024 12:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Notwithstanding the fact that I am a total fan of Vivek,this really is a masterpiece]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notwithstanding the fact that I am a total fan of Vivek,this really is a masterpiece</p>
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		By: monodipchaudhuri		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jun 2024 11:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Notwithstanding the fact that I am a total fan of Vivek this really is a masterpiece]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notwithstanding the fact that I am a total fan of Vivek this really is a masterpiece</p>
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