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		By: D.G.Thakurdesai		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2025 15:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[On dot!!!]]></description>
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		By: Vivek Patwardhan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2025 13:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have copied and pasted the comment of Dr Suchita Krishnaprasad (Well known Labour Economist) with her permission:
..... Many things..
* Even though the courts ruled mostly in favour of the unions in the seventies, ( as an HR professional you know those challenges better ) the manufacturing sector had already started to break the windows of flexibility within the rigid framework. And subcontracting was the route to this. The unions ignored this and their rank and file went on prospering at the cost of the workers who toiled in the second or third tier of manufacturing. Arguably this is an important way in which the union strength could be weakened. It manifested in what came to be understood as disintegration of the structure of collective bargaining. In my study of the Mumbai textile industry, I saw many registered collective bargaining agreements which were nothing but a compilation of individual bargaining. The simplest way to understand this, is that the agreements in the 80&#039;s mention the posts, their present pay and the hike that would be implemented by the agreement. What you see in the 90&#039;s are the names of the workers, and their pay. This means that the hike is clearly attached to the person mentioned, and not for the job. If for any reason there&#039;s a separation of that worker, the employer has no obligation to pay either the original or the heightened wage. 
 So as the bargaining structure crumbled, it became easier, perhaps for the organised sector to engage the contract workers even in the core activities. ( Today the teachers, who are undoubtedly form the core in  educational institutions are engaged on contract basis! The schemes like शिक्षण सेवक provide further legitimacy to converting core workers into a &#039;use and throw&#039; devise!)

* When we quote the pathways chosen by Germany or the Nordic countries, it would be important to remember the role played the Trade Unions in these countries when the term Flexible Firm and Just in Time systems were drastically changing the size and the structure of industrial organizations. Even when the surplus workers were released due to the technology, they remained the members of the Unions, and in fact found a placement in the second tier units, through these unions. ( I vaguely remember having read a piece by Prof. Sarthi Acharya which mapped this process). Societies that always respected social cohesion are more likely to find similarly nuanced effective solutions to challenges posed by changing technology, climate, demography and even wars. I have my own doubts if such Flexicurity can be deployed in other societies with little historical experience of prioritizing social cohesion. 
Particularly when we have bypassed tripartism and the trust in collective wisdom, one is only left to hope that things would somehow turn benign for the vulnerable. 

* So much more can be said about learning from other countries/ societies. But I will stop by making one observation I came across when I was studying what happened in the Mumbai textile industry. 
* It is said that Textile industry typically follows the Flying Geese model. Which means that the cluster begins, it grows and then it  declines. And then it moves to a new destination. (Pankaj Ghemavat and others have written extensively on this dynamics.. of how the clusters decline) 
And the same thing has happened to many textile clusters across the world. (Manchester etc) I came across an interesting strategy deployed in Prato, Italy, where the composite mills were shut down retaining the best run departments in each mill. And together they emerged as composite mills spread across Prato! Now that&#039;s the collective vision. Of course such innovations need political will. 

We, too, had Charles Correa&#039;s vision when the decline of the Mumbai mills was certain as the day light. The mill land was to be shared between the mill owners, workers and the larger society..

We know what happened.. ..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have copied and pasted the comment of Dr Suchita Krishnaprasad (Well known Labour Economist) with her permission:<br />
&#8230;.. Many things..<br />
* Even though the courts ruled mostly in favour of the unions in the seventies, ( as an HR professional you know those challenges better ) the manufacturing sector had already started to break the windows of flexibility within the rigid framework. And subcontracting was the route to this. The unions ignored this and their rank and file went on prospering at the cost of the workers who toiled in the second or third tier of manufacturing. Arguably this is an important way in which the union strength could be weakened. It manifested in what came to be understood as disintegration of the structure of collective bargaining. In my study of the Mumbai textile industry, I saw many registered collective bargaining agreements which were nothing but a compilation of individual bargaining. The simplest way to understand this, is that the agreements in the 80&#8217;s mention the posts, their present pay and the hike that would be implemented by the agreement. What you see in the 90&#8217;s are the names of the workers, and their pay. This means that the hike is clearly attached to the person mentioned, and not for the job. If for any reason there&#8217;s a separation of that worker, the employer has no obligation to pay either the original or the heightened wage.<br />
 So as the bargaining structure crumbled, it became easier, perhaps for the organised sector to engage the contract workers even in the core activities. ( Today the teachers, who are undoubtedly form the core in  educational institutions are engaged on contract basis! The schemes like शिक्षण सेवक provide further legitimacy to converting core workers into a &#8216;use and throw&#8217; devise!)</p>
<p>* When we quote the pathways chosen by Germany or the Nordic countries, it would be important to remember the role played the Trade Unions in these countries when the term Flexible Firm and Just in Time systems were drastically changing the size and the structure of industrial organizations. Even when the surplus workers were released due to the technology, they remained the members of the Unions, and in fact found a placement in the second tier units, through these unions. ( I vaguely remember having read a piece by Prof. Sarthi Acharya which mapped this process). Societies that always respected social cohesion are more likely to find similarly nuanced effective solutions to challenges posed by changing technology, climate, demography and even wars. I have my own doubts if such Flexicurity can be deployed in other societies with little historical experience of prioritizing social cohesion.<br />
Particularly when we have bypassed tripartism and the trust in collective wisdom, one is only left to hope that things would somehow turn benign for the vulnerable. </p>
<p>* So much more can be said about learning from other countries/ societies. But I will stop by making one observation I came across when I was studying what happened in the Mumbai textile industry.<br />
* It is said that Textile industry typically follows the Flying Geese model. Which means that the cluster begins, it grows and then it  declines. And then it moves to a new destination. (Pankaj Ghemavat and others have written extensively on this dynamics.. of how the clusters decline)<br />
And the same thing has happened to many textile clusters across the world. (Manchester etc) I came across an interesting strategy deployed in Prato, Italy, where the composite mills were shut down retaining the best run departments in each mill. And together they emerged as composite mills spread across Prato! Now that&#8217;s the collective vision. Of course such innovations need political will. </p>
<p>We, too, had Charles Correa&#8217;s vision when the decline of the Mumbai mills was certain as the day light. The mill land was to be shared between the mill owners, workers and the larger society..</p>
<p>We know what happened.. ..</p>
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		By: G V joshi		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2025 07:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Another thought provoking article from you Sir. As you have rightly pointed out  balancing between flexibility and security is necessary. Alas ! stock market rewards profit making companies(employers). It is hoped that leading companies would set example of flexicurity. Thanks for the share and regards]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thought provoking article from you Sir. As you have rightly pointed out  balancing between flexibility and security is necessary. Alas ! stock market rewards profit making companies(employers). It is hoped that leading companies would set example of flexicurity. Thanks for the share and regards</p>
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		By: Monodip Chaudhuri		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2025 06:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Vivek you will appreciate my  total lack of surprise at your supremely balanced and empathetic take on the subject.
I am of the view that the New Labour Codes were both necessary and long overdue.However the onus rests on the Government to keep moving ahead and take firm and resolute steps towards redressing the issues of social security of contract labour and we can I’ll afford to wait another 35 years before doing something.I am extremely happy that something is at least being done about Gig workers but clearly stuffing units with casuals whilst remaining cozily within the threshold of permissible permanency levels is just not on .
Alas the legislative wing of Government can do so much and no more.We are India I.e. Bharat filled to the brim with unscrupulous Government employees,heartless employers and motivated and selfish Trade Union officials.The rank injustice of workload distribution between permanent and non permanent workmen on the shop floor on a daily basis can make anyone’s blood boil.
The legislative changes must continue but side by side we need continued educative multi level and multiple way communication.Employers/Employees ,Government officials and Trade Unions should become aware that the laissez-fare days are over and that Government can,if need be,turn the velvet glove into an iron fist.Alas India Is perennially in an election mode and the line of least resistance is invariably the safest.
A huge change in mind set across the board is crucial and people like you and Arun have so much to offer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vivek you will appreciate my  total lack of surprise at your supremely balanced and empathetic take on the subject.<br />
I am of the view that the New Labour Codes were both necessary and long overdue.However the onus rests on the Government to keep moving ahead and take firm and resolute steps towards redressing the issues of social security of contract labour and we can I’ll afford to wait another 35 years before doing something.I am extremely happy that something is at least being done about Gig workers but clearly stuffing units with casuals whilst remaining cozily within the threshold of permissible permanency levels is just not on .<br />
Alas the legislative wing of Government can do so much and no more.We are India I.e. Bharat filled to the brim with unscrupulous Government employees,heartless employers and motivated and selfish Trade Union officials.The rank injustice of workload distribution between permanent and non permanent workmen on the shop floor on a daily basis can make anyone’s blood boil.<br />
The legislative changes must continue but side by side we need continued educative multi level and multiple way communication.Employers/Employees ,Government officials and Trade Unions should become aware that the laissez-fare days are over and that Government can,if need be,turn the velvet glove into an iron fist.Alas India Is perennially in an election mode and the line of least resistance is invariably the safest.<br />
A huge change in mind set across the board is crucial and people like you and Arun have so much to offer.</p>
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		By: Vineet Kaul		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2025 05:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear  Vivek, 
Excellent perspectives and food for thought <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f64f.png" alt="🙏" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />
The examples of other countries navigating such challenges is very educative <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f44c.png" alt="👌" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />
Surely, all Stakeholders have to understand and work together to make things happen]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear  Vivek,<br />
Excellent perspectives and food for thought 🙏<br />
The examples of other countries navigating such challenges is very educative 👌<br />
Surely, all Stakeholders have to understand and work together to make things happen</p>
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		By: Dr.Asha kori		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2025 04:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sir this reminded me of NRF created by government of India in 1992 which was mostly used for VRS rather than for retraining of affected workers in the process of restructuring.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir this reminded me of NRF created by government of India in 1992 which was mostly used for VRS rather than for retraining of affected workers in the process of restructuring.</p>
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		By: Marcel		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2025 03:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You have expressed and captured so well the thoughts of those of us who are deeply concerned about all aspects of insecurity and flexibility]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have expressed and captured so well the thoughts of those of us who are deeply concerned about all aspects of insecurity and flexibility</p>
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		By: Nandeeta		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2025 03:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Amazing Sir. A hard hitting intense perspective . The viable options are something we should look forward to . The balance or &quot;flexicurity&quot; as you put it is so critical.  Frankly I don&#039;t think anyone is going to think so much as there will be enough people scrambling to figure out the Loopholes]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing Sir. A hard hitting intense perspective . The viable options are something we should look forward to . The balance or &#8220;flexicurity&#8221; as you put it is so critical.  Frankly I don&#8217;t think anyone is going to think so much as there will be enough people scrambling to figure out the Loopholes</p>
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